Side note: I noticed I was saying yellow-eyed when I should have been saying golden eyed. Whoops on me. But now I get to try a new color font. Yay. Also, I am responding to everyone's post.
Okay here we go.
corona ~
I don’t know about that, Bella just saved Edward from a predicament Rosalie helped cause. I thought Rosalie meant it, at least, out of gratitude and respect for Bella’s brave actions if not sisterly affections.corona wrote: Then there is her apology with false notes when Bella first returns, then she explains her NO vote by beginning with a lie, that she would have no aversion to Bella as a sister.
Wasn’t Edward giving Bella the same advice?corona wrote: And would Rosalie feel "wretched" again if Bella had actually left Edward as she advised her to do?
Yes, Roslie is frozen with anger because of being violated. Although, being a vampire has its' benefits, at the end of the day, she just can’t shake off the anger. Though, I think she is doing much better due to Nessie in her life.corona wrote: I take SM's statement that Rosalie loves her family as absolute, and I don't question that. I can't come to any other conclusion than something is seriously wrong with her. She is mental. Something is broken.
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Tornado ~
Tornado wrote: You can't prove a theory with only one test subject and apply the result to an entire race of beings, especially if the theory is related to behaviour.
That’s correct. Although, I did not just base my theory on 2 subjects only. I have based it on the following:
Edward – 87yrs being single and discontent with the golden eyed lifestyle until vampire-Bella and Nessie come into the picture.
Bella – Not wanting to be a golden eyed vampire without Edward.
Rosalie – About 2 yrs being single and discontent with the golden eyed lifestyle until vampire-Emmett comes into the picture and then she is half-content. Then more than half, but not fully, when Nessie comes into the picture.
Esme – Accepting the golden eyed lifestyle happily because of her romantic affections for Carlisle, who she’d always idolized.
Emmett – Waking up as a vampire and accepting the change and already being in love with his “Angel” Rosalie.
Alice – 1st vision is of Jasper and then sometime after comes the vision of her golden eyed lifestyle.
Jasper – Changes from red eyed lifestyle to golden eyed lifestyle because of Alice, his mate.
Garrett – Changing from red eyed lifestyle to the golden eyed lifestyle for Kate and not changing way back when, when he first met Carlisle.
Denali Sisters – Changing from red eyed to golden eyed lifestyle because of the remorse they felt for killing their intimate human male friends, who they felt strong romantic affections for. Their change was not because they value humanity as a whole like Carlisle. However, at least their golden eyed lifestyle benefits humanity as a whole even if it just winded up being a positive side effect and not the main reason why they chose it. By the way, I don’t believe their promiscuous lifestyle is as fulfilling as a monogamous one. I think the Denali Sisters believe a monogamous relationship is more fulfilling than a promiscuous one, hence Irina falling for Laurent and Kate giving Garrett a try is proof of that for me. However, their long term promiscuity leads me to believe they believe sometimes a counterfeit gets you by until the ideal comes around.
Carmen & Eleazar – Changing from red eyed lifestyle to golden eyed lifestyle as a mated couple, not before when they were single.
Laurent – Changing from the red eyed lifestyle and somewhat giving the golden eyed lifestyle a try because of curiosity and then being somewhat involved, but not really, with Irina too, but then he gives up the golden eyed lifestyle and Irina at the same time.
Carlisle – The only golden eyed vampire in the Twi-Universe who was single for 250+ yrs and was satisfied, (though he was lonely), with the golden eyed lifestyle, regardless of having a mate or not, or having promiscuous endeavors or not, was Carlisle, and that was due to his super intensified compassion.
What’s wrong with having or striving for one’s ideal? Did not Carlisle have one too? Carlisle was lonely and desperately wanting to have a family of his own, for the first time I might add, though he could not go against his beliefs of doing to someone else what had been done to him. Hence, Carlisle being a single lonely golden eyed vampire for about 250+ yrs. Until one day the opportunity presented itself to have his ideal fulfilled without going against his beliefs. Though he had no experience changing anyone before, he gave it a go. All the while, not knowing for sure what had to be done.Tornado wrote: I disagree. I think Rosalie's discontentment is based on her desire to have an ideal fulfilled, and it just happened to be the desire to be a mother owing to the times in which she was raised.
Side Note: Furthermore since I am on the subject of Carlisle, I have a question for everyone, why is it that no one is upset that Carlisle changed dying Rosalie only because he thought she would be great for Edward, being that she was soo beautiful as a human and it would have been a “waste” to let her die. Which means to me, Carlisle would have let her die if she was average or less than average looking. The negative aspects of the “end not justifying the means”, comes to mind in this circumstance here, big time. At least Rosalie (and Esme for that matter) had Bella’s consent to do ALL Rosalie and Esme could for the child AND Bella’s choice to die and be transformed. Rosalie did not cause or speed up Bella’s death in any way.
Side Note over.
Okay, back to my responses.
Also, I don’t agree that Rosalie wouldn’t have wanted to be a mother if she would have grown up in Bella’s time. Wanting to be a mother is still in style in the USA. The liberal times of our day tell us that women can have it all; children, education, career and all simultaneously and all with or without a husband. Not to mention, all the modern sciences available to women who desire motherhood.
Further, I don’t think it’s fair to ask Rosalie to do as Esme did. Emmett and Rosalie cannot sire anyone. Nor do I think Rosalie (who thinks the grave is better than the golden eyed lifestyle) or Emmett would ever want to. In addition, what are the chances that a vampire is going to come knocking on Rosalie’s door to offer themselves to be part of her family and request that Rosalie & Emmett be their parents? Usually when a vampire joins a coven at the most they get to be a brother, sister, mate or guard/servant. I think Alice and Jasper may be the first, and I think the only, to be adopted into a coven and have the leader consider them their children without siring them. Rosalie and Emmett are not leaders of their very own family/coven, and even if they were, what are the chances that a vampire will come knocking on their door wanting to be adopted by them? It’s not like Esme went looking for them. In any event, unfortunately for Rosalie, her dream of motherhood died that horrific fateful night, when all her rights and liberties were violated by others. In a sense, Rosalie was robbed and frozen with the anger in her IMO equally painful golden eyed vampire state.
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Jazz Girl ~
Venom can’t enhance something that is NOT there. Just like all of Rosalie’s negative qualities were enhanced, so were her positive ones.Jazz Girl wrote: The irony is that, as you so keenly observed, Rosalie’s transformation when she was so emotionally desiring a child made her more ready for a child. It did enhance those qualities that allowed her to overcome her own nature. But, those were not characteristics or abilities she had as a human. Thus, where she had a better chance of being a good mother as a vampire, she was denied the possibility.
Isn’t Esme doing the same thing but in a different way? As it has already been pointed out, if something happens to Bella Esme would be the next in line, being that she is the grandmother and Rosalie is just the Aunt. Though, I believe, Rosalie would still have the same access to Nessie as she has now.Jazz Girl wrote: She believed Ness would be her baby because she believed Bella was going to die. All of her catering to Bella was a means to an end. She could put her own irritation with the weak stupid human aside for a few weeks to get what she wanted in the end.
Jasper has many scares and let’s not forget Bree from the newborn army explicitly describing scars in “The Short Story Of Bree Tanner”.Jazz Girl wrote:We know that vampires, unless burned, can pretty much rebuild themselves with no lasting damage.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Emmett has won a play-fight with mind-reading Edward yet.Jazz Girl wrote:And, she also knew Emmett would never let Edward near her either way.
Rosalie, and Esme, Edward’s loving mother for that matter, did not take pleasure in hurting Edward when siding with Bella’s CHOICE and making it difficult for Edward to get his way.
Rosalie did not seem that upset when she thought Bella killed those hikers. I don’t see her getting bent out of shape for Emmett, her vampire-mate.Jazz Girl wrote:But, something tells me that Rosalie was not the picture of patient acceptance and that there might have been some harsh words spoken, possibly about having to relocate before she was ready, or her having to stare at his red eyes for several more months.
Rosalie would have been a good a mother as anyone else, regardless of the child’s capabilities. Again, she did not know if the child would be more human, or more vampire, or deformed. But, she was willing to risk it all. Like I mentioned late last week, Alice is NOT the only one living vicariously through Bella.Jazz Girl wrote:But, consider the possibility of Ness as more human than vampire, a race that Rosalie has openly scorned as useless, helpless and a waste. Would she have continued to dote so if her niece wasn’t so amazingly gifted, was more like a normal human newborn, with all of the weaknesses and driving and constant needs? I think the answer is no.
Definition of Kidnapping: “The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.”Jazz Girl wrote:To say otherwise would be the same as saying that someone who kidnapped a child because they couldn’t have a child of their own could still be a good parent.
I don’t see how this definition applies in Rosalie’s case, it was ALWAYS WITH Bella’s CONSENT & BY Bella’s CHOICE to have Rosalie do ALL that she did. I like to believe Bella was actually counting on Rosalie loving and protecting the child as Bella would, should something had happened. Like I said momma-Bella made short term and long term arrangements for her child’s care.