holdingoutforjacob wrote:if edward doesn't allow bella that choice he IS controlling her. and the fact that he felt that he could take that from her means that he DID feel he had some authority. in what way is it ok for a person's partner to take away their choices in any particular faction of their lives??? because that is what you are saying is ok here.
PLEASE do no misconstrue my words. I don't think Edward's first thoughts when he took out Bella's black box from her truck where "I've got to control Bella by taking away her choices!" He acted as quickly as he could and taking out that black box was his only option. Of course he felt terribly about it, who wouldn't? But he was acting as he saw fit, something that over time he did come to realize was wrong. Taking away someone's choices, partner or not, is generally not that right thing to do, but you cannot deny that there aren't instances where taking someone's choices away is
the right thing to do i.e. : suicide. Let's not say I'm saying Bella was on a suicide mission, but to Edward that's what it looked like.
umm with the jacob "fixing it" thing i mean that he found that loophole, he refused to listen to sam, he wiggled around in his restrictions until it worked out ok for everyone and they were both happy. i see that as the time when he was hurting bella in the way edward did, that's why i'm comparing them. i feel like edward did not "fix" anything. bella flat out disobeyed him. edward is sort of in the role of sam here. sam took away jacob's choice to see bella, because he thought it was dangerous. did he "fix" anything when jacob went to see her anyway? no. jake did. edward took away bella's choice to see jacob, because he felt it was dangerous. did he "fix" anything when bella went to jake? no. bella did.
Well, I'd say it's a little different finding a loophole around someone else's orders when it's something you don't even want to follow at all, rather than finding a loophole around yourself when it's something you fervently believe in. It's useless to even compare the two.
Calicoxx wrote:I actually have New Moon at the bottom of my list on the books in the series because of the lack of Edward in there.
While Bella /is/ my favourite character, she's a bit more bland without Edward, which is why I liked Twlight and Breaking Dawn so much. (I can't remember a lot of Eclipse, only read it once).
ahaha, i agree.
my ultimate favourite is twilight with breaking dawn a close second.
eclipse-jacob pretty much ruined it for me...but Edward just brightened it up for me
i love new moon though, even if it was meaningless without Edward there. it was so vacant so...lifeless. my favourites parts are the first few chapters with the last chapters when edward returns *siigh* - i enjoyed jacob alot more in new moon than any other book in the twilight saga. so new moon wasn't that bad to me.
Gah! I love discussion in the morning
! Even though it's 5 in the evening, I did just wake up....
I love you malaz
. You're blatant honesty is so refreshing, not to mention you never-failing Edward love. We're two of a kind in that sense. Awwww you didn't like Eclipse
? I loved that book. Twilight
of course and...New Moon
. It took forever to actually LOVE New Moon
, but once I reached that point, there was no going back. Agreed, Eclipse
-Jacob wasn't so cool. Actually Eclipse
-Jacob is what made me stop actually loving his character(the love was pretty vague from the beginning though
). After Eclipse
, I only simply liked him. Still only do.
But yeah Midnight Sun
....AMAZING. For those strong enough to resist, I applaud you. For those not, or those who didn't even bother trying, those 12 chapters made the weekend, even if we all now kind of feel like crying. . .