You are ridiculous. We ALL post names. We respond to each other's opinions. I have been on this forum a LOT longer than you. I understand how it works a LOT better than you. You just made a fool of yourself, so I hope that adds to the complexities of life that you know that I will never know.diane771 wrote:holdingoutforjacob wrote:Well. That's up to you. Personally, I find it a little astounding that THAT is the one thing you'll never forgive him for. You're also forgetting that there was another person in this conversation. That would be Bella. She had as much a part in that as Jacob. Also remember that this was his first human experience in months. And he was in a lot of emotional pain there, he was there only for Bella, and she really was kinda mean to him there.Jazz Girl wrote:HoldingOutForJacob~, this is the one point I seriously cannot ever forgive Jacob for. Yes, he loves Bella. Yes, he wants to protect her. Yes, he wants to save her life. And, up until Mr. Weber declares Edward & Bella husband and wife, I would say that he has a certain right to fight for her. But, once Mr. Weber does declare them husband and wife, how is it even any of Jacob's business what is going on between them in whatever capacity, let alone their lack of or intended sex life? He had no right at that point to say anything. Yes, old habits die hard. But, for him to go Vulgar Language is Ugly because Bella wanted to make love with her husband? To threaten Edward for wanting to make love with his wife? For him to even ask? That was so out of line. That is one of two things Jacob does that I will never forgive him for.holdingoutforjacob wrote:The only thing I disagree with a little bit is that at the wedding, Jacob got very very angry because Edward and Bella were going to try something SO dangerous, and Edward had promised to take care of her. I think he felt betrayed by that.
He's not fighting for her, either. Have you even considered the ridiculous amount of danger they were putting Bella in? Edward could crush her. Literally. And he was putting himself into the one "position"in which he relinquishes all control over himself. Look what he ended up doing to her as it was! Jacob's concern was rightful. It has nothing to do with keeping her from becoming a vampire - it has to do with her getting to that stage at all. He was afraid he'd KILL her. Not make her the eternal dead, but actually RIP kill her.
It's your right to hold that against him if you want, but you're totally oversimplifying the issue, in my opinion. From what I've seen of your posts, you tend to consider only the factors that offend you, and not the whole picture sometimes.
Diane771. You're only speaking of Breaking Dawn. Edward and Jacob treated each other with equal disrespect in Eclipse. Oh, and Jacob, actually, likes and respects Carlisle from when he helps him out in Eclipse. You know, when he crushed all the bones in the left side of his body helping the Cullens? But yes, he has to work at respecting the Cullens. They are his mortal enemies. But what's not to say that Edward had to work at respecting the pack? Not only are they his mortal enemies, but he also looks down on them. We can see in Jacob's mind in Breaking Dawn, which is great, so we get to see him learn the truth of the Cullens. Edward does the same with the Pack in Eclipse, but we don't get to see that.
And by the way. For every time Jacob called Edward bloodsucker or leech, Edward threw in a mongrel, dog, or pup. As was both their rights. All's fair in war. Not nice, but fair.
To be fair, when Jacob met Alice she was taking Bella practically on a suicide mission. And Rosalie is purely nasty to him, from the moment he steps foot in the house.
Who do you think you are critique other people opinions? You are not the writer. You do not have the say on our opinions and what we get from reading the book. Are you so mad at your teacher that you have to come on here and act like you know everything about Jacob Black? Listen here, this is a forum, and you need to shut your mouth about how people see things in this saga, You also need to stop posting names, and start by getting yourself together and realize you have no right to comment on what a person gets from the book. Facts and your idea's are just yours not of everyones, stop acting like you are grading someones paper because you know everything. Little girl, I know more about the complexities of life and relationships than you will ever know. So stop acting like a child. Read and Respect other people idea's NO ONE NEED YOUR APPROVAL OR CRITIQUEING OF THEIR POST SO READ THEM AND SHUT UP! Well its most likely past your bedtime so if you want to be in an adult forum or debate like an adult, you have a lot to learn. All you are doing is making a fool of yourself. Do you honestly believe that only you know about the relationships between Jacob, Bella and Edward? Where does your knowledge come from?
I would like to know do you call Stephenie, have you ever even had a boyfriend. Unless I am talk to Stephenie on how she made her character anyones opinion is just that an OPINION. YOUR OPINION is just a opinion like everybody else's, So grow up and stop your KNOW IT ALL ATTITUDE! Trust me when you get older you will thank me for this advice so please take it to heart because every bit of it is true.
I've had plenty of boyfriends. I've had many perfectly healthy relationships.... not that that's ANY of your business or has anything to do with ANYTHING we were talking about...
You are crazy. This is being an adult? You can have it then....
Anyway, I found Jacob and Edward's responses understandable and logical...but also very annoying. It was 
j/k I'm Switzerland, of course.
This thread is really great, I like the flow of it here. It's healthy that we have different opinions, as long as we remember to respect everyone. And I velcome it if people disagree with me, it makes it more exciting to be here.
