Kachiti wrote:However, there is some scene where van tries to take her out existence that keeps popping into my head as I read your various post.
hahaha. Very amusing, Kachiti.... (*grin*)
But more seriously...of course you're right -- there's a huge problem anytime you try and discuss counterfactuals. Change one jot of the past and all kinds of consequences propagate forward into the future. So yes, strictly speaking, if Edward had never existed, Bella would probably be pushing up the daisies in the Forks cemetery, as she observes to Edward in TW. No marriage of soul-mates, and little dark-headed children and all the rest with Jake. Then again...if Edward hadn't existed, perhaps she wouldn't have been parked where she did, or would have arrived a little later (because she wasn't so eager to get to school and see him again) or...whatever. There's a million million unknowns we can't begin to guess at if we take Edward out of Bella's life.
I think there's still some interest (and fun) to be got out of surmising what kind of relationship Jake and Bella would have had if she'd never met Edward -- because it's a way of exploring just how deep that relationship seems to us. But you're right: there's a limit to the deductive force of any arguments we can advance one way or the other, because what we're talking about is total fiction. (Er, I mean even more of a fiction *grin*). We basically have to cheat and specify a whole lot of conditions: assuming that Bella survives her second week of school, and she still meets Jake at La Push (or through Charlie and Billy) even though she's not trying to worm information about Edward out of him, etc etc. And then we can decide what would have become of Bella and Jake....