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Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:49 am
by Amanda Beth
moon sidhe you said it perfectly!
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:33 pm
by Heart_in_Hand
Hey guys!
I hope you don't mind if I alter the subject a bit. I was thinking about Bella's ability today, and how it was able to stop attacks that take place in the mind only. So, she was able to stop Alec's attack during the battle scene in the end, even though his "attack" is described as visible when it rolls over her dome-shield. My question is, doesn't the fact that Alec's power is more physical (as in a kind of gas or something-at least that's how I saw it) and the fact that we can see it mean that the effects of it doesn't just take place in the mind? And thus, shouldn't Bella's shield not have worked against it?
I also wonder about this with the shocking that Kate (I think that's her name) can do? Bella was immune to the electric pulses Kate could create... but that seems obviously physical to me. Not mental at all, since there wasn't really an illusion of pain. Just an actual electric shock. Or am I mistaken about the power Kate has?
I honestly don't know for sure, so I am looking for people to give me facts and/or opinions that will help me understand this situation. Thanks!
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:15 pm
by Esme echo
My first impression is that Bella's shield protected her mind from any outside influence, and when she pushed the shield out to include her entire body, she was able to shield her body from any outside effect as well, i.e. Kate's shock. But that doesn't explain why--before she learned to shield outside her mind--Kate's shock didn't effect her.
Perhaps Kate's talent is similar to Jane's--felt physically, but ultimately mental. Alec's influence distorted the air--like heat waves--but I'm not sure it was a physical gas.
I suspect that if Bella shielded her entire body, Jasper would not be able to alter her moods. What do you think?
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:40 pm
by Asheleyo
Kate's ability is similar to Jane's ability. Edward says so in BD, and Bella recoils from the idea, then Kate laughs and says she's not sadistic about it like Jane is. So yes, it's in the mind as well.
The way I see Alec's ability being deflected by her shield is because it is something that affects the mind. It takes away all senses, cutting off those parts of the brain. But as both Bella's shield and Alec's ability have to stretch out in space, they do seem to fill in a physical space, but it's still a mental matter in principle.
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:06 pm
by Heart_in_Hand
Asheleyo wrote:Kate's ability is similar to Jane's ability. Edward says so in BD, and Bella recoils from the idea, then Kate laughs and says she's not sadistic about it like Jane is. So yes, it's in the mind as well.
The way I see Alec's ability being deflected by her shield is because it is something that affects the mind. It takes away all senses, cutting off those parts of the brain. But as both Bella's shield and Alec's ability have to stretch out in space, they do seem to fill in a physical space, but it's still a mental matter in principle.
I see. This makes sense. I suppose the shock thing just seemed more physical, because Kate actually had to touch her victim or at least be touched by them (right?) for the shock to take effect. As for Alec and Bella's talents being the same in that sense, I never thought about it that way. I can see how that might work now! Thanks for explaining it for me! 
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:12 am
by Asheleyo
Don't forget, Aro also has to touch someone for his ability to work.
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:14 pm
by Amanda Beth
and Renesmee
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:08 pm
by Esme echo
. . . and Renesmee's gift goes right through Bella's shield. I wonder if we'll ever find out if Edward is right and no one can keep Renesmee out if she can touch them?
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:39 pm
by Amanda Beth
The only way they could really know is if they came across another shield like Bella... Renata is against the physical attack, they'd need someone who defends the mental attack.
Re: Bella Swan Cullen #3
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:59 pm
by Esme echo
Hmm, probably should take this to the Renesmee forum, but this is my last post about her . . . if Renesmee can get through Bella's shield, she could probably get through Renata's too, don't you think? It seems shields are not an issue for her. If you want to continue to discuss this, PM me and we'll take it to her forum.