To Tornado ~
Tornado wrote:Just because Bella said it doesn't mean that SM agrees with it, although I agree that it is likely in this case. And even if she does think that one of the reasons we have this forum is to discuss these issues, even if we disagree with SM. There are other things SM has said that you seem to disagree with. We all have areas where we disagree with her.
Yes, of course. I kindly say, nowhere
in my quote did I mention, insinuate or suggest, that anyone change or stop sharing their own personal POV. I am just simply sharing my own personal POV, as is everyone else is on this forum. Furthermore, I am very glad and thankful that there is such a wonderful site as this one, to be able to share one’s own agreeing or disagreeing opinions of the Twilight story, themes, characters and Author.
Tornado wrote: Yes, but their days were numbered as humans as well. They both would have died, likely a lot sooner than they will now. And while they will die a violent death as a vampire, I believe they have as great a chance at heaven as the rest of us. Let's face it: death is the lot of us all, and some of us may, ourselves, experience violent death (insert screeching brakes sound here). So, apart from the thirst aspect, their lot is not much different from our own, except that their existence on this planet is likely to be much longer.
To Corona ~
I enjoyed your 1/20/12 post, especially your thoughts on vampire DEATH.
Firstly, Bella thinks veggie-vampires keep their souls, hence a hopeful and prosperous Happy Ending vampire-afterlife (meaning after a veggie-vampire is destroyed). And to some degree, so does Edward in NM, at the Volterra Clock Tower. Therefore, with Bella’s outlook, one gets to have their cake and eat it too. With Bella’s outlook, a veggie-vampire gets to live their fairy tale existence and never lose their soul, hence the veggie-vampires have the same hope of an afterlife as we humans have. For Bella it is a win, win. Though, I must admit, IMO, Bella has a knack for making dangerous things look easy or maybe bearable is a better word. Maybe that’s one of the reasons she is like the MVP of the veggie-vampires (along with Carlisle, of course), she makes it look almost
But, if you are meaning that the style of death that will be delivered to the vampires will not be a happy ending as appose to us, well I agree with Tornado’s
1/20/12 response to your post in regards to vampire DEATH.
But, if I may be yet gloomier than you, your Bree omen comments had me thinking for a while. And this is what I came up with, firstly, for a red eyed vampire it makes sense to me that they would get murdered by another vampire or even a shape-shifter. After all, the red eyed vampire lives by murder, so it stands to reason, the red eyed vampire would die by murder or even self-murder/suicide.
Secondly, I thought about the horrific grief they, by nature, must bear. Again, same line of thinking came to me. As a red eyed vampire, if you live by inflicting grief on the living, then it stands to reason, when it would be the vampire’s turn to experience grief for their loss, it would be a concentrated form of it.
Lastly, I thought a little more regarding the yellow eyed vampires. The only yellow eyed vampire I remembered ever getting destroyed was Irina. And for me, her destruction had a double meaning (though I am sure there are more). Due to her vengeful nature, she betrayed her family and put them in imminent danger from the vampire police/judge/jury (I can’t remember right now, if she was trying to have all the Cullens killed or one of the Cullens in particular), who ironically, betrayed her and destroyed her instead. Maybe there is a rhyme and reason, of the order of things, in the Twilight Universe. Well, hopefully for the yellow eyed vampires at least. I mean, vampires have to die twice, as a human and then again as a vampire. I would hope the veggie-vampires could catch a break somehow. But regardless, death hurts and it is uncomfortable, no matter in what form, or time, it comes in.