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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by RebeccaCullen » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:41 pm

JMO, but the best and easiest way to not make BD a triangle love fest is to tone down the role of Jacob and not put him in every scene they possible can and to actually show that Edward and Bella are hppily married. And when Renesmee is born, show Edward and Bella acting as parents.

One scene I hope is changed somewhat for the better is Bella finding out Jacob imprinted on her daughter. I hope they don't have it so that Bella ends up feeling guilty for going after Jacob and that they keep the line where Jacob says he'll share far, far away from that scene. It just sounded creepy in the book, and would be even worse, IMO, on screen if it's there.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Tornado » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:12 pm

Chernaudi, but it's clear even in the book that Bella and Jake still have some attraction at this stage because of Renesmee. I really hope they tone that down. That was the thing that most worried me in the EW article. I mean, it's just going to look wrong, especially if they don't give the explanation until the next film. She's married, for heaven's sake!
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Emmettroselover » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:05 am

I agree with Tornado. There are some things you can try to explain in a book that just do not look right visually. The imprinting will be hard enough to show and explain, but then add in the way Bella feels for Jacob and that will be complicated. It was hard enough to understand in the book, but in the films I really hope they find another way to pull all of that off. The EW article worried me as well. I really hope it does not look disturbing.

I agree with Rebecca as well. They really do need to tone down Jacob's influence on Renesmee, Bella, and Edward. Yes, he imprinted, but that does not mean he runs the show or somehow becomes priority over the parents. Hopefully they give us some cute family moments away from Jacob because him hovering around was a bit creepy, imprint or not.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by RebeccaCullen » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:14 am

I wonder how they will explain the imprinting on screen when Summit has been heavily pushing the triangle between Edward, Bella and Jacob, especially in the EC movie, without making it seem gross and wrong. That marketing ploy is going to backfire in their faces when movie critic's and general public already low opinions of the movies go even lower and the movie gets slammed as bad or worse then the book.

I also wonder how those groups that just go with hearsay to say that Jacob is better for Bella will say when they see/hear that Jacob imprints on a newborn baby while Bella lays dying in another room happens on screen.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Tornado » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:21 am

Maybe they're hoping that it will create a storm of controversy that will encourage some people who might not otherwise see the movie to have a look.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Jacobs-girl » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:02 am

Emmettroselover wrote:I agree with Tornado. There are some things you can try to explain in a book that just do not look right visually. The imprinting will be hard enough to show and explain, but then add in the way Bella feels for Jacob and that will be complicated. It was hard enough to understand in the book, but in the films I really hope they find another way to pull all of that off. The EW article worried me as well. I really hope it does not look disturbing.

I agree with Rebecca as well. They really do need to tone down Jacob's influence on Renesmee, Bella, and Edward. Yes, he imprinted, but that does not mean he runs the show or somehow becomes priority over the parents. Hopefully they give us some cute family moments away from Jacob because him hovering around was a bit creepy, imprint or not.
I agree with you and with the opinions of RebeccaCullen and Tornado on this thread. The imprinting scene is one of the scenes....probably the scene actually...which I am most concerned about because as I and many others have expressed throughout the Lex, it is creepy even when you know the actual logical explanation. I was disappointed by it when I read BD and I wish Jacob had just made a clean break from the Cullen family. . Of course, he could still be a close friend to Bella but I think it would be a lot healthier for him to live his own life instead of being permanently linked to the Cullens.
Anyway, I'm dreaming about things which aren't going to happen so I'll get back on track...

I think the film makers should definitely tread carefully in terms of this scene. I have had enough of the love triangle drama and now the emphasis needs to shift away from Jacob and become oriented towards Bella & Edward. I think Tornado has a point about the controversy aspect though. I mean, just look at this thread: we're all talking a lot about it because of the contention about the imprinting scene and it has already caused a debate before the movie has even been released. Consequently, it's extremely likely that other people will start to think about it too and they might become curious and go see the movie as a result of the debate about its content.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by GrayceM » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:26 pm

I wonder if they will have enough time in this movie to show or even tell about Quil and Claire? That may be a way to break in the general population for the imprint with Jacob and Renesmee. I don't think it would impeed the flow of the story to have it. Maybe when Jacob takes off after getting the invitation...I don't remember exactly when it happens in the book. Or maybe when Bella and Edward get back and he's waiting for Sam to decide and give the order...
I think that's why Stephenie put that part in the book, and had Bella react the way she did when Jacob tells her...so he could explain that it's not like that kind of love. That would explain it to the reader about why Jacob is so anxious. Jacob says something like, stupid myths...they were supposed to be rare occurences but now he was one of the few who hadn't imprinted. After all, they don't mention them again in the book. If they are going to do it, they will have to really set up for that scene...

I'm not sure how much they can downplay the connection though. Jacob is in almost every scene in the book except when he's running patrols, when he goes to see Charlie and when Alice leaves. I'm not sure I remember why he wasn't there then...but the whole point of the imprint is that person becomes your entire reason for being. That's why Bella is so angry at him...not because he imprints, but because she has barely had a chance to get to know her daughter and Jacob is "staking a claim".
If they show her standing while Edward plays her song, it will put some perspective into their relationship at least...

I have to believe that Stephenie and the rest know what everyone thinks of the imprint thing by now...there were subtle and not so subtle hints during the interviews that even the cast thought it was a bit creepy. I'm hoping that they have pushed that fear and apprehension onto BC and MR to tone down or change the perspective by explaination or visual with another instance prior to that scene. Otherwise, there are going to be a lot of people walking out of this movie shaking their heads, wondering wth happened and what's the point of a second movie.

The only way I see that they can have Bella and Jacob showing affection is if like in the books, Bella is glad to see him, but that whenever he is there, Edward is also. Holding onto her and taking care of her. And Jacob eventually asking her why she's so glad to see him since she's married. Or maybe the ever present Bella voice over..."I had always felt that Jacob should be part of my family, so I'd have some claim on him that didn't lead him on. So maybe the reason I'm so happy when he's around is that I don't have to lose everyone in my family at once." That would work with the story and fit in to shorten what they have to show.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Chernaudi » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:37 pm

I do hope that some focus is on the family moments and they do something to explain the imprinting and not focus so much on the bloody friggin' birth scene and the love triangle--the latter element is basically a spent force by BD as something that is a focal point.

Of course, Summit may focus on the birth because of the blood/gore/horror/action aspect--something that they've tried to hammer into us in spite of our objections until our ears bled. You'd believe that fans would've complained after Eclipse until their ears bled but we have little other recourse but to hope that BC and the cast at least listened to us, which it seems that they did, though with the powers that be may be different.

And as someone wrote in the Gender Divide thread, the source material has to be considered, too. Stephanie left out most of the love making scenes, but left in the bloody gory birth. I sort of feel that if Stephanie had the birth scene, she could've wrote in a tasteful, PG-13 love scene or two. C'mon, Remember Me should've shown how that could be done! That just strikes me as strange--leave out the sexuality that we all know happened, but yet give a detailed gory birth scene when Renesmee is born.

So much potential for Summit to screw this up, and if they do, there's not much room for error, and if they tick off enough people, their chances to make it up to fans also has a narrow margin for error. Not much room to screw up anywhere here. But this is Summit, and they're a H'wood film studio, and they probably believe that any publicity is good publicity and that controversy sells and might sucker a few people to see the movie.
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Tornado » Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:03 pm

GrayceM wrote:I wonder if they will have enough time in this movie to show or even tell about Quil and Claire? That may be a way to break in the general population for the imprint with Jacob and Renesmee.
I'm absolutely positive that Quil and Claire will be mentioned in some way. That is a perfect way to foreshadow the imprinting, so the audience understands what happens to Jacob. They may even show a flashback of him imprinting so the similarities are obvious. I think they left it out of Eclipse so that they could put it in BD, so it's fresh in everyone's minds.
Chernaudi wrote:Of course, Summit may focus on the birth because of the blood/gore/horror/action aspect--something that they've tried to hammer into us in spite of our objections until our ears bled.
Although if they've been asked by the censors to tone it down, it might be a wake up call!
Chernaudi wrote:I sort of feel that if Stephanie had the birth scene, she could've wrote in a tasteful, PG-13 love scene or two. C'mon, Remember Me should've shown how that could be done!
You know, I tried that myself recently in the novel I'm writing, and it's really hard! It's much easier to film it in a subtle way than to write it. Writing that kind of scene tends to get a little tricky unless you want to go "all the way" (if I can put it that way!). I chickened out too!
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Re: Worried about Breaking Dawn?

Post by Chernaudi » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:05 pm

And that does show us how little recourse we have aside from voting with our wallets. :(

The only way that there will be such a shift is if the MPAA censors object and insist that what they have is borderline PG-13/R, or maybe there's some ringing in their ears from our complaints about Eclipse. And mind the readers, I had low expectations for that movie, as it wasn't my favorite novel, Slade seemed to be "out of it" to the fans, and I knew from NM that action/love triangle would be the focus and not the romance we remember from the novels. It wasn't as bad as I had feared, but was still lacking in important elements, and that seems to be a general consensus.

If there was more overt focus on the romance between Bella and Edward through out the series and more focus on that after they're married and explaining in plain English what imprinting means, if there were signs of those things, I'd be less worried. But Summit has made tons of money off Twilight, NM and Eclipse as they were, and I have no doubt that many fans will see BD no matter how good or bad it is.

And as far as romance and love scenes, if Remember Me had a tasteful love scene that was suitable for a teenage audience, then BD should, and in theory, the novel should've as well if they got the gory Nessie birth scene. However, I do sort of understand the issues with writing it and how much should be left to the imagination. However, some of Nessie's birth could've been left to the imagination aside from maybe the Renesmee not being a "normal baby" aspect of it, and even that was shown when Bella was pregnant.

Maybe blood and gore is easier to write than sex and romance, but then again, could the inverse be true as a visual? And this is, of course, one of those deals where I'd encourage people to read the books before they watch the movies.
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